Sunoco refinery in West Deptford, NJ.)
I thought readers might be interested in seeing corporate pollution that benefits from the Corzine global warming bill.
Last Sunday the Star Ledger editorial on the “Regional Green House Gas Initiative” (RGGI) concluded “Too many flaws in greenhouse gas bill“:
“Unfortunately, the proposed RGGI law being rushed through Trenton’s lame-duck legislative session reflects a miserable New Jersey political tradition. Every special interest imaginable has reached in to grab a share of the money or other benefits….
Gov. Jon Corzine’s administration is anxious to pass an RGGI bill so New Jersey can show its commitment to the regional consortium. But the current bill carries too much baggage”.
So, take a look at all that baggage.
Then think about the fact that your monthly electric bill will pay Sunoco and others to pollute.
post this picture on the front page!
Sunoco and the others do pollute the environment. Sunoco and others also employ many,many people in good paying jobs WITH benefits. Do you heat your house or drive a car? Tear down the tanks and the refineries, this way you will have nice scenery to take in as you walk to your unheated house after having spent the day unsuccessfully looking for a job.
Dear Ottosan:
You completely distort the issue.
This has nothing to do with jobs –
Under the proposed Corzine bill, Sunoco will get subsidies (millions of dollars) paid by YOUR monthly electric bill!
They will be eligible for GRANTS which are funded by your electric bill!
Sunoco is enjoying windfall profits right now – are their workers doing as well?
Other polluters must pay for their pollution – carbon emissions are costing us all. Sunoco is not only getting subsidies, but they are imposing costs on us.
I said nothing about tearing down tansk and refineries.
So please, stick to the facts.
Well, I’m certainly confused by this exchange. I just don’t understand what nohesitation means when he says “I said nothing about tearing down tansk [sic] and refineries.”
“I”, who is the “I” who wrote this?
Ottosan’s comments were directed to the author of the blog here, not to nohesitation. But then nohesitation (who only wrote that somebody should put the picture on the front page) says “I said nothing about tearing down tansk [sic] and refineries.
My goodness, I can’t seem to tell who is who here.
Could somebody sort this out?
H sailoralex
It may be confusing, but its not complicated and it’s no secret – as the site’s managers have known, “nohesitation” is wolfe’s user name prior to his blog.
It is the only way I can log in to respond to comments. I don’t know how to change that -and I’ ve tried to make that obvious by responding to comments in the first person.
Now, do you have a thought on the substance of the post?
Huh? This nohesitation person is really Bill Wolfe? Did I get that right?
And, come on, Ottosan’s comment about tearing down tanks and refineries was a rhetorical comment well within the boundaries of his viewpoint. This is the bloggosphere, and he wasn’t calling anyone names. He didn’t even attribute the suggestion directly to Wolfe.
Back to the subject matter:
I happen to remember when we the people crucified both Gerald Ford AND Jimmy Carter … these were presidents who made serious comments about reducing our dependence on petroleum … and yes, they had other political problems … but that was when — if we were being foresighted — we could have done something substantial.
The problem I have with this bill is that it is an important piece of legislation and should NOT be handled in a lame-duck session, period.
The Gov must have his political future up his sleeve these days. The question I have, is a Cabinet post going to be high enough or is he shooting for Top Gun? He must be sweating bullets right now … he’s a global corporationist kind of person … and hooked up with the Clintons … so this fair labor practices political tsunami of both Huckabee AND Obama (alpha order) has got to be a wee bit disconcerting … don’t you think?
One last comment about global warming … which does concern me … but it’s going to take a heckuva lot more than what the professional environmentalists here in the U.S. are calling for, if we are going to do something substantive about the problem as they describe it. Which translates to: If they think it really is as bad as they say, then why aren’t they responding as substantively as the situation — as they describe it — calls for?
And that was a rhetorical question, by the way. But I get the feeling that up until Thursday in Iowa, most politicians thought that if they enacted policy that resulted in even-odd days at the gas pump … their careers would be toast. So much for populism. “We have met the enemy and he is us!” -Pogo.
Dear hglindquist
First of all, if anyone is interested, here is a link to the bill – http://www.njleg.state.nj.us/2006/Bills/S3000/2976_S2.HTM
it is up for final passage tomorrow in both houses. If passed, it goes to the Governor, so its not over yet.
Yes, nohes = Wolfe. The are equally radical andn make the same typo’s too!
Sorry if I was harsh on Ottosan – I think he intetnionally mischaracterized the issue.
I too recall Carter’s speech and policies – but they worked. Gas consumption leveled off, and we started making progres on solar (subsidies) and efficiency.
But you forgo to mention that it was Reagan (promoter of free markets and enemy of government intervention) who wrecked all that by reversing the Carter policies (he ripped the solar system off the WH roof too).
We have been on the same failed path ever since (across the board, and not just energy).
I agree the US professional enviro’s have set the bar way too low. By doing so, they no only reward politicians for doing nothing, but they destroy their own credibility because, as you note, the problem really is that bad and the solutions are marginal at best.
The public can see right through this – and they are ready for real change and lots more sacrifice if the politicians would only lay out the facts and propose real measures.
Those are the main reasons I’ve tried to get word out on this issue via this blog.
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You poor people in New Jersey,have no idea how DC works.Whatever is black is white and white is black.You need to learn these things first.So much goes on and a bill means nothing till a President signs but then what year does this start and what is added on to the bill?This is called a rider and can be added at the last minute to get a Senators approval.Some would call this a bribe but in DC it’s a rider.